![]() 09/02/2013 at 17:14 • Filed to: Videos, Ford Fiesta, rally | ![]() | ![]() |
It's no secret that rally cars - even WRC machines - are road legal, so that they can get from finish line to start line. But what are they like as road cars? The very English-y-named Henry Catchpole has a go in the very north of England, then at one of M-Sport's testing days.
The Fiesta R5 provides privateers with 90% of a WRC car's performance for 40% of the price. It's the futuuuurrrrreeeeee! As it turns out it's only the clutch and the lack of sound deadening that hampers the R5's suitability as a road car. But would you buy one instead of a supercar?
Yeah, I'd seriously consider it too.
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If I had the money, I'd definitely have one. I've always wanted to drive a rally cars on regular roads.
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"But what are they like as road cars?"
Kinda awful. The clutch is brutal, the lack of sound deadening means not only is the engine loud but every pebble that clatters against the underside of the floor is loud enough to interrupt a conversation. The ride is so stiff and bumpy you'll have to drink all your beverages out of a dippy cup. They rattle, they bang (especially the trunks), they squeak and make noises that make you worry something's about to fall off. With no air conditioning and only a defroster for heat they'll cook you in the summer and freeze you in the winter. Most door/trunk locks are removed and the hood release is replaced with hood pins, so security is an issue. The seats force you to sit bolt upright all the time and in most the pedal position will kill your leg and ass with an hour or so of highway cruising. Because the seats are mounted low visibility is compromised, and once you're belted in (which takes a good 60 seconds) you can't reach most of the dashboard, god help you if you drop something on the floor. Most have wind-up windows (because power windows are an electrical failure waiting to happen) or, even worse, a solid piece of lexan with a cat flap in it. Driving this is like putting a greenhouse on wheels. To top it all off about 1/3 of all rally cars have roof leaks so driving in the wet can become a miserable experience. Oh, and don't forget there's no radio of any kind. All in all they can be fun to take out for the occasional fun afternoon drive every week or so, I still grin like a child every time I take it out, but if you're driving it regularly the novelty will wear off quickly.
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I have always wanted a rally car as a road car. I know what I'm getting myself into, and I don't care. I still want it. They just look and sound so cool.
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I could not care less. As long as all that makes the car 500 lbs lighter, HELL YES!
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If it was a 2nd car, I'd go for it
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Who is EVER going to drive this everyday ? If i have the money for this, i have another car already. Then i can laugh at all those "issues" and have the fun of my life every Sunday for a few hours.
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I really think road legal is used rather loosely for WRC cars.
I know here we need to use factory airbags and seat belts. I'm almost postive most parts are "not for road use" or "only for offroad use"
Also rally cars would never pass smog tests.
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No.
The brakes sound like he's stomping a dead cat and feel like crap when cold.
The camera struggles to focus from the vibrations on idle.
He's wearing the biggest freaking earmuffs he could get his hands on and it's still loud.
5-point harnesses keeping him from looking around in traffic plus the hassle of doing them up in the first place.
A serious lack of ventilation for any weather unless you're getting 100mph+ headwinds through the roof scoop.
Oh, and relevant video of our Norwegian taxi's.
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Used rally cars start below $5,000, so I have had people genuinely ask me if one would make an acceptable daily driver. And when I said "regularly" I mean if you're doing more than say 6 hours a day or 12 hours a week it will start becoming a bit less fun.
Extreme case in point, I drove the rally car in a 90 minute parade on Saturday. Thanks to the amount of clutching I had to do and the weight of the clutch itself I'm still walking with a slight limp two days later.
Of course if you get the chance to actually open the car up and properly drive it in anger, even if only once or twice a year, that alone is enough to justify ownership ;)
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"Is A Rally Car Really Suitable On the Road?"
YES.
It's a rally car.
Loud enough to make people move out of your way.
Those mooches who constantly ask for a ride (everyone has at least one) will never ask again after one ride.
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You'd be surprised. No air bags, 5 point belts, gravel suspension, registered in Rhode Island. We had another one that also had no cats. The car Ken Block is using is essentially an M-Sport WRC car and its registered in Utah
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I would buy one just for track days. I mean how cool would it be to run down retired GT3 an GT2 Porsche's around the local track in a FIESTA!!!!!!!! My Sti holds it's own against the Z06's an Zr1's on the track but the Fiesta would destroy them.
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I still think if someone wanted to be a dick they could pull all those cars off the road in between stages. There is a difference between registered and legal.
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I just don't understand how they shift gears....Anyone? / Thanks
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You made me curious, so I checked.
Stock Fiesta ST: 2700 lbs
Fiesta WRC: 2650
Fiesta R2: 2270
Fiesta R5: official weight TBA, likely 2400-2700
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Well, that looked fun.
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They are both registered and legal. They even go annual state inspections just like every other car. A few years ago during a rally in New York a few state troopers wrote tickets for half the rally field, for everything from no air bags to illegal belts to noise to illegal lights. Most of the competitors took the tickets to court (a few lived too far away for the trip to be worthwhile) and every single ticket taken to court was thrown out.
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Everything you said basically describes driving my old 91 Mazda truck, and that was a blast to drive everyday. The only difference is a softer seat, and suspension designed to handle at 50mph instead of a 100 makes the ride more bearable. Also 95hp but that's all you need if you plan on driving below the legal speed limit.
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I used to own a rusty falling apart 91 Honda Prelude. dropped 1.5" all around with I/H/E and Hi flow cat. I tried it with my friends TenzoR 17' wheels and boy... Does it rock. You could feel everything with it. all the little bumps and jerks. Thrashed that car to work and back everyday and it was amazing. Getting one hour in that car was all I needed to get my fix. Loud, rattling, rusty, and jittery. I did do a 6 hour drive in it and it was horrible. By the time I got out my hands were trembling like I had parkinson's disease, ears were ringing, and my face was tired from the grinning. I had fun in it but too much is too much.
I would drive a rally car to work and back if I had a choice. I would thrash it to work and back so much. Just make sure it has short gearing and low HP or else I will get in trouble.
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I see, but i was talking about the Ford Fiesta R5, which i don't think starts at 5000$. Plus, even at that price, you've GOT to have another car, there is no way your only car can be a rally one. That would be madness, and one would deserve all the problems you described above.
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Do you think it would be possible to find a compromise, or should road cars and race cars stay separate. I mean, I suppose a tuned STi would be a rally car for the road, but it's still a road car, it still feels like a road car. What aspects, if any, are there to a rally car that would be live able day to day but still special enough to be different?
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You're right, the R5 is over $200k, but I wrote my comment in regards to the original title question: "Is a rally car really usable on the road?" And like I said, people have asked about faulting rally cars before (I even know some that do daily their rally cars), so I wrote my comment in large part to prepare/warn off anyone thinking of taking that route.
In fairness, the most basic rally car does do better as a daily. Some, for example, run stock clutch and a softer suspension. They'd have a better time. Though noise, seats, belts, and temperature are still major issues
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Im liking that R2 weight figure. I wish there was a 1700 pound car with about 90 horsepower...man that car would be the most fun you can have on the street without breaking the speed limit.
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That roof scoop...
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I used to live down the street from ken block in utah and he would daily his fiesta rally spec. He would drive it to and from events in montana and colorado. Although it had plates the city we live in has very loose S&E testing and when I mean loose it means we have no emissions testing. I would hear him leave every day and see the car around town all the time.
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I used to drive my rally cars on the road quite regularly in the late 90's. I also daily drove (on sunny days) my fully caged miata with no heater, A/C, no top of any kind, etc. The rollcage safety is deceiving, because without a helmet on, a cage isn't so good for the skull.
I think driving a rally car on the road regularly is half the fun. Your average hot rod is much less practical.
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I had to drive a '93 Group A Cosworth Escort rally car to "Parc Expose" at a rally once, about a 70 mile trip on highways, and then through a city. As awesome as I felt, it was hell... especially negotiating a crowded metropolis in a car with a 5 speed dogbox and a clutch made out of what I can best describe as some very grippy rocks.
Flicking on antilag while waiting for the lights to change next to a Prius was fun though.
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Whatever Ford- and your 2-door Fiesta deliciousness. I'm about to buy my first Ford (Focus ST) for a track car since 1994. (Explorer 2-door Eddie Bauer.) Yeah, I'm off-topic. As a Rover and Jag guy, Ford, keep it up. Fiesta R5. How awesome. It's a little harsh for the street.
You know, I will go back on topic. The younger you are, the more these kinds of cars are great. Us older guys (36), they're just too harsh. Humans go from babies, to mature, then back to babies. I see I'm getting more fragile as I get older.
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Now there's a good question. Race exhaust, for starters. It'll give a hard ride, as I said, but you could conceivably stick rally struts on your daily. It's probably no worse in terms of ride than a high end sports car, and it's probably more comfortable than the super duty tow rig. You could run the Braid/OZ/Speedline wheels, and if you do a lot of dirt driving the gravel rally tires, just don't drive on them in winter. You could, conceivably, pull airbags and run race seats and belts as well, so long as you're willing to deal with the limited range of movement (and aren't wide in the posterior). Engine tune/modification is a option as well so long as you keep in mind the more you do to it the shorter it's lifespan between rebuild/refresh. Those are the things that immediately come to mind
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I've been pondering on whether a track-built car - like a LeMons/Chump racer or something you built specifically for track days, like a MEV Exocet with something very hot under the hood - could work as even a secondary commuter car, something you could take to work on nice enough days (nice enough that the non-hardcore would consider taking motorcycles in) and your main was broken, or you just had a wild hair to do it. I think it'd be similar to the above - lack of sound deadening plus race cats equals very loud ride; no creature comforts to speak of and very uncomfortable on top of it due to all of the safety features; and if you've built it seriously enough, very brutal application of power to the road to control.
I didn't see it in the video, that R5 is a sequential gearbox, and most of those lack reverse gearing. Does the R5 have a reverse gear? - Strike that, I watched it again, and saw it does. Sequential gearboxes are very fast shifting, but most of them don't have a reverse gear, especially those stolen from motorcycle drivetrains for cheap power and fast shifting, but that makes them very unpractical for daily driving - gotta always park where you can drive forward out of the spot, which is very rare in modern parking lots, at least if you don't want to walk more than 100 yards just to get into any store.
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Where's the doubt?
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The R2 is by far the most affordable package as well. About $60k new.
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"Is A Rally Car Really Usable On The Road?"
Well, to each his own, but yeah, I'm pretty OK with that idea.
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Stock? The STi that is.
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I'm going to assume there is a fair amount of hyperbole in that your Mazda truck felt like a rally car with less power and softer seats.
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So they swap out parts for stock ones before inspection?
Also maybe the county or whatever it is made a special exception because of the rally event? I can't see a town wanting to chase away a huge annual event like that.
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1700 lbs? 90ish hp? First-gen CRX says konichiwa !
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I know ALL about the CRX and I'd like an HF because those are close to 1800 pounds but man I just wish I could ignore the FWD part...
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I want to the car makers to take my money NOW, if they can have a rally version of some there cars for sale. No sound deadening or A/C or carpets? So what? my cheap car I drive now is already like that except its slow and crap. :P
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Is it too much of a hassle to put an air conditioner on a rally car?
I mean, it should compensate on the quality of the driving if the pilot is comfortable and not being roasted.
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You've about described my Series Land Rover, if it was upgraded....
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I really want an ALS system on my car...
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I always love seeing the Rally America cars driving on the streets around downtown Portland and Pioneer Square mixed in with normal traffic every year when they come to town for Oregon Trail.
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Well, of course it's not built for rally racing. I'm not really interested in speed or lap times though so what impresses me about race cars is how they are devoid of anything not related to making the car travel from one point to another, which is the point of having a car anyway. I'm young so when I drive any normal modern road going car I expect it to have cup holders, A/C, power steering, a stereo, sound deadening, intermittent wipers, etc. My truck had none of those things. It was pretty much the bare minimum to move me from one place to another, with a heater to keep from freezing.
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Doesn't seem like much of question to me...Hell yeah they are!
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Actually it's a fairly small regional rally, and I don't think the county has much say about tickets written by the State Police. And I can't speak for all teams but our car goes through inspection in full race trim
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Keeping it on adds a couple hundred pounds, reduces horsepower when running, and uses more gas. It's also one more thing to break. As the saying goes, "simplify and add lightness"
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Coming out there last year and seeing all the cars in front of the Pioneer Square Courthouse was pretty awesome
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I see what you mean, that's my preferred form of transportation actually. But cars set up for racing have all those "features" turned up to 11 .
Imagine that truck without the few luxuries it did have: Windows that wind up and down. Locking doors. You could get in without yoga lessons and do up the seat belt in less than 10 minutes. Rubber bushings in every suspension component. Rubber seals around doors.
I agree it sounds like fun in theory, and couple of times it is, but I have tried and in the long run its a bloody nightmare. Mine was set up for drag racing, but the common theme among most racecars seems to be the same. Hot/cold, noisy, painfully vibrating, dusty and generally uncomfortable in unimaginable ways.
Great fun on a winding, empty, road or a track, but considerably less fun on your way home from working overtime on a cold and rainy Monday.
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Yea... I look at these cars like motorcycles. Only crazy people ride every day.
If it were up to me, I would rather have something like a Formula 3 car. If they made something like a $20K Ariel Atom I'd be for it. The FF818 sounds good but I am not crazy about the engine
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"Some very grippy rocks"
Nailed it
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"Who is EVER going to drive this everyday ?"
The Stig...
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For what. Here in FL the only thing that would be an issue is the noise. I have never seen a law that states that your car MUST have an airbag.
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Ehm, the Lake District is in the very North of England? Us Geordies are a wee bit peeved at you :)
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My daily commute is only 20km... and it's against the flow of traffic so I rarely have to deal with stop and go.
So I think I could have a WRC car as a DD.
But the biggest issue is speed. A car with all that power that an R5 has, it is bound to get me speeding tickets.
I think I wouldn't want anything beyond a Fiesta R2
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I love WRC. All the noise, brutal changes and two footed driving. God bless the WRC.
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Where I live you can't tamper or remove with factory restraint systems. Go tell your insurance company you removed your airbag. See how they'll react...
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My car never came with airbags, nor a passenger side mirror. Also not being able to tamper with them doesnt mean you must have one.
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Can anyone explain to me what kind of transmission this car and most other rally cars like it use? it doesnt appear to be a conventional manual to me
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Don't forget states like Arkansas don't even have inspections, or smog. So long as all my lights work, I'm not loud after 10pm, wearing a seat belt, registered and insured, it's all good here.
I even sold a 81 Toyota pickup with a "off road use only" weber carb, no muffler or cat convertor, retread tires, trailer light for tail light, with a obviously tampered with odometer (swapped out for one that had a trip meter, had to drill hole for reset button) to a AR state trooper. He drove it home. He did not give a damn.
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Where do you live?
In a lot of places you're free to remove quite a bit from a car. The thing is, you're only hurting yourself by doing it, although a roll cage, racing helmet, 5-point, HANS, and suit is way safer than any factory airbag system.
It also depends on how old the car is in some states. Where I grew up, you were only required to have driver's seatbelts at the state level. The cars were mandated from the government to be sold with full air bags and seat belts, but the state law only required the driver to have a lap belt. Not even a 3-point. When you get down to it, forcing other people to put in safety equipment to older cars costs the state money or makes the citizens worse off (since most those parts have to be bought elsewhere and states don't get to tax it) and results in fewer registrations. The risk of someone taking their own airbag off is pretty much negligible. If they want to kill themselves, go ahead. That's why there are insurance companies.
But it just comes at a price. If you have the money you can pay the hit on your insurance.
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Sad that the mini is pretty much the only one on the list that normal people can afford nowadays. I think even Ur-Quattros are absurdly expensive.
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Of course it's usable.
Oops, wrong kind of rally. ;-)
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All the responses made me think of the opposite...I was going to joke about it but I honestly think Loeb could mop the floor with a factory STi. Maybe take out the back seats to make room for all his awesome.
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KW Suspension with Cobb Sway Bars, HKS Gt3037 turbo, upgraded fuel system, the Tires i run are BFG G-force r1 tires there amazing on the track. It makes 430hp at the wheels on 91 octane an just over 500 awhp on race fuel. The front straight at B.I.R. is the only place my car struggles against the Vettes. My next addition will be a Cosworth CS600 long block but i'm waiting to blow my engine before i make that addition. There expensive but i hope to make the car a dedicated track car at some point.
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Yup that's exactly what it means. You're messing with the safety systems designed to save your life.
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Manitoba Canada.
We also have public insurance so we have to follow their rules. No other choices.
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Oh, that makes sense. Private insurance here basically means we get gouged and fisted if you're a "high risk" individual (no regulations, they're like a cartel) but there is always a more expensive option if you want to pay for being unsafe.
Edit: An by "high risk" I mean any 20-30 year old male with a red 2-door RWD car. It doesn't matter if you're in a Testarossa, Corvair, or a MR2, they rates get really bad if a universal excuse can be found, even if the excuse has no indication on actual safety. They seem to care less about what equipment is in your car, and more about demographics.
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This comment made me think twice about when I said that rally car racer would the funnest job ever. Thanks, rainy day/wet towel/Santa hater.
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The original Mini costs about the same as a new one.. If you want a "good" one.
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That's still affordable for normal people. You can't touch a Lancia Stratos, Alpine, classic 911 (60s, in 'good' shape) or Ur-Quattro under $50,000. That's a lot to blow on a car that is decent at rallying, and decent at driving, but great at neither anymore.
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I think he meant that, if there was no system there in the first place, you wouldn't have to 'tamper' with it to remove it. So, provided your car never had air bags to remove, you're fine. I know a lot of people with no air bags or similar safety gear—hell, a lot of models of my car don't have them. They were optional on the 106 - and a lot of other older, but still new enough for a lot of people to use, cars - for most of its life. I'm fairly sure you could still get one with no airbags, brand new, in 2003.
It's interesting to me that some areas of America have such stringent road safety requirements. Here in the UK - 'nanny state Britain' - manufacturers are allowed to sell cars without even the most basic of safety equipment and crash-standard adherence. Most still do, because a car's Euro NCAP safety rating can be a fairly major deciding factor in a purchase, but low-volume, specialist vehicle manufacturers are free to sell whatever they like. Caterham, for example, can sell you a complete Se7en.
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I know what you mean! I drove to a local rally event once, and on the way there I saw two or three Imprezas that were caked in mud, scratched or otherwise in a bit of a state, making a hell of a racket, just driving past with roof scoops and sponsor decals and race numbers... and licence plates. It was awesome.
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All I can tell you is that WRC cars are all road-registered, usually in the country where they're built/prepared.
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Sequential gearbox. I'm not entirely sure how it works, but basically if you're driving it hard enough you can "flat-shift" by just pulling (+) or pushing (-) on the big gear stick to change gear without using the clutch pedal. The third pedal is mostly for use in 1st gear to pull up or set off (slipping the clutch helps get the power down smoothly).
You'll see the same thing in Touring Cars and GT racers.
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Ah, erm, let's call Newcastle the really north of England!
I sometimes forget just how north it is, actually.
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It's a racing sequential gearbox that allows you to change gear without the clutch pedal if you use enough throttle.
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That's all well and good, but the question that's on everybody's mind is.... "Will it baby?"
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With a set of these and a child seat strapped down to the floor, perhaps!
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All the cogs are synchronised all the time - like a modern motorcycle, allowing you to shift without the clutch - some technique required, unless there is a quickshift system that cuts the ignition for an instant, unloading the gear train for the upshift. This constant synchronisation is inefficient, however, which is why normal cars don't use it - lot's of wasted energy in cruise.
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Where in New York? The next town over from my home town had a small rally every year and I've heard a story similar to yours. I wonder if it is the same event.
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No, it wouldn't. Even in full tarmac settings and on slicks, a WRC is just too slow to even challenge a GT3 racing car.
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Save for Group B cars, Rally cars are surprisingly usable on the road, could do with a few customisations for practicality ofcourse, but too much.
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So, basically like driving my MG.
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I'm amused by the repeated assertions I see that Ur-Quattros are pricey gems. A quick check this morning shows a handful out there available for around $20,000 or so - still substantial, but not ridiculous.
Sport Quattros are over $50K (WAY over) but the normal ones are pretty attainable.
Still waiting for longhood 911s to come back to earth after their 2005ish appreciation spike; a 911T isn't too scary much (unlike an S) but still uncomfortable. I fear Alpines are out of reach permanently.
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Where did you find the Quattros for sale? I checked Ebay (rather lazily) and saw none for sale. But the prices I have seen (which are likely Sport Quattros, like you suggested) do seem pricey.
Alpines are entering museum status now though.
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A quick brace via Google:
http://www.carscoops.com/2013/06/have-1…
http://www.dpccars.com/gallery/index.…
http://bringatrailer.com/2013/02/05/bat…
The last one in particular - sanitary, unmodified - is near the ideal. Would love to score a black one with the proper analog dials instead of the what-were-they-thinking later digital pack; something to keep in mind.
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I'm concerned about that last one. Which sick owner decided to buy and own a Quattro in Colorado, but never let it see snow!?
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I had a DeLorean as a daily driver in Las Vegas for 5 years where I never bothered to fix the air conditioning. With a few exceptions, you've pretty much nailed the driving experience I went through, and likewise convinced me that a rally car is quite usable on the road everyday.
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Yeah but "dippy cups" are awesome!
Sorry, had to do it ;-)
You're exactly right about everything EXCEPT that becauseracecar
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There are a lot of rally cars registered in Canada ... including BC which also has government insurance
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We need a BAC Mono for the poor...
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No no. It's still definitely the funniest job ever. You don't notice any of those problems once you're going fast :D
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Another bad thing about a driving a rally car on the road is you'd have to have to hire someone to sit next to you to go "LEFT! RIGHT! STRAIGHT! CORNER LEFT! HARD RIGHT!"
![]() 09/03/2013 at 09:54 |
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Ugh. That typo, it mocks me. I noticed it like 5 minutes after the ability to edit expired
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Can't remember the name of the host town, but our hotel was in Hancock and was about 20 minutes away
![]() 09/03/2013 at 09:59 |
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Yea that's west of where I'm from. Not the same event but similar story.
![]() 09/03/2013 at 10:20 |
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Yes, except when the MG makes noises that sounds like something is about to fall off it means something really is about to fall off ;)